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TURI Cleaning and Disinfection Webinar - Shared screen with speaker view
Amanda R Jarvis
28:58
Amanda Jarvis, Mabbett & Associates
aida nutautas
29:09
Aida Nutautas, Union Specialties Inc.
mike valenti
29:12
Mike Valenti, Product Manager Cleaners, Hubbard Hall
csilverman
29:14
Christine Silverman, Capaccio Environmental Engineering, Inc.
jdietzel
29:15
Jeff Dietzel Alimed
jeremiah
29:17
Jeremiah Laplante, Town of Amherst
ctivnan
29:17
Chris Tivnan Hubbard Hall
Michelle's iPad
29:21
Michelle Blanchard, Wales Board of Health
AK
29:23
AK Amarin Kongtawelert, Asst.Prof. from Mahidol University from Thailand
Adriana
29:31
Adriana Moreno, TIS Consulting Group
Elise
29:36
Elise Pechter, Mass Dept Public Health
Darcy
29:53
Darcy Guyton-Hanna Retired Federal(VA) employee with MPH
Paul McMurtry
30:05
Good Morning. Paul McMurtry State Representative. Thanks for hosting!
Steven Bandarra
30:22
Good Morning! Steven Bandarra Worcester State University
Katherine Mcnamara
30:28
Katy McNamara with Cal State University Northridge
Edwin
30:28
Edwin Hernandez us pack
Jack Illingworth
30:30
Jack Illingworth Mass OTA
John Raschko
30:35
John Raschko, Mass. OTA
Kristi Mastroianni
30:42
Kristi Mastroianni,McCann Technical High School, cosmetology instructor, North Adams, MA
Sue Phelan
30:50
Hello All, Sue Phelan from GreenCAPE
Maria's iPad
31:03
Maria Bartlett Andover Green Advisory Board
Karla Armenti
31:10
Karla Armenti, NH Occupational Health Surveillance Program, UNH
Ana
31:48
Good Morning. I´mfrom Colombia.
Julia Wolfe - Massachusetts
32:24
Julia Wolfe, Commonwealth of Massachusetts Environmental Purchasing Program
Edson santos CND Temp Agency
33:01
Good morning, Edson Santos CND Temp Agency
Cora
33:22
Hi there -- Cora from UML
Nancy Peterson
33:23
Nancy Peterson J Barrett Realtor
Dorothy Wigmore
33:26
Hello from Winnipeg, Pam. Nice to “see” you.
Alan Gilbert
33:28
Alan Gilbert
alexs
33:33
Alexandra Scranton, Director of Science and Research Women’s Voices for the Earth
Chris Tkach
33:33
Chris Tkach, owner of Idle Hands Craft Ales in Malden, MA.
Cynthia Nelson
33:35
Cynthia Nelson, NH Pollution Prevention Program
Arthur Athanas
33:37
Arthur Athanas Director of Operations Greater Beverly YMCA
Laura KERNAN
33:38
Laura Kernan, Veterans Administration
Kristine Davies
33:39
Kristine Davies - Trinity Consultants
Tim Snay
33:40
I'm Tim Snay, Corporate Health and Safety Officer for Ransom Consulting, LLC, an environmental consulting and engineering firm.
Lisa.Dufour
33:41
Greetings! Lisa Dufour from the Center for EcoTechnology in Massachusetts
Aimee Bel
33:43
Aimee Bel, Zenshinkan Aikido Dojo
Robert Bleicher
33:45
Robert Bleicher, Consultant
Kari Sasportas
33:46
Hi everyone. I'm Kari Sasportas, Health Director in Lexington.
Jeremy Correia
33:47
Jeremy and Dora from ABLE Associates, Fall River, MA
John Downes
33:50
John Downes, MassDEP, Springfield
Dermot Pelletier
33:52
Hello All - Dermot Pelletier from Hillyard New England.
Anne Ford
33:52
Anne Rochon Ford from Nail Salon Workers Project in Toronto
Jeremy Curley
33:53
Jeremy Curley automotive instructor at McCann technical high school North Adams MA
Rolly Rouse
33:59
Carole Collins and Rolly Rouse, New England Communities, Inc.
Donna Margolies
34:02
Donna Margolies, BOH Carlisle MA. Hello!
Karen
34:08
Karen Krawczyk, MSI Transducers Corp.
Dave
34:19
Dave Newman, industrial hygienist, EOHS Associates LLC, Brooklyn NY
wburke
34:28
Bill Burke local public health
Anna Soehl
34:39
Anna Soehl, Green Science Policy Institute
Lynn Rose
34:56
Lynn Rose, Informed Green Solutions, Worcester Public Schools, Newton Public Schools
Kathy.Flannery
36:32
Kathy Flannery MA OSHA Consultation Program
Marina Gayl
37:13
Marina Gayl, Mass Office of Technical Assistance
MF
38:12
Michael Fiore - MA OSHA Consultation Program
Claire Barnett
38:50
good info from states with green purchasing programs
mking
39:22
Hello, Marianne King. Lead Teacher Cosmetology Department Keefe Regional Technical School Framingham Ma.
Pam Eliason
39:33
Hi all … if you haven't already, please do share your name and affiliation so that we know who is in the room
Claire Barnett
39:48
http://www.healthyschools.org/Cleaning-For-Healthy-Schools/
wkapinos
40:16
Wayne Kapinos, The Dowd Agencies
Pam HH
40:24
Pam Hadad-Hurst, NYS DEC
Mat Fitton
40:26
COO Choice1Temps
Jamie San Andres
40:55
Jamie San Andres, Safe & Just Cleaners Research project coordinator, Make the Road NY
Jeffrey Davis
41:02
Jeff Davis from https://www.hubbardhall.com/
Claire Barnett
42:08
Claire Barnett, HealthySchoolsNetwork, thanks to TURI for this session
mking
42:49
Brenna Salay. Cosmetology Shop Instructor Keefe Regional Technical School Framingham Ma
michael sireci
43:44
Michael Sireci, Mass Teachers Association
Pam Eliason
44:05
Please ask questions in the chat box as we go and I'll make sure we answer them as best we can.
Julia Wolfe - Massachusetts
44:34
https://www.ul.com/resources/ecologo-certification-program - this is also the UL Ecologo link
Cora
46:20
Re-opening info for nail salons: https://www.healthysalonsproject.org/
Alicia McCarthy
47:03
Thank you Cora!
Katherine Mcnamara
47:16
will these slides be made available to participants after the program?
Carol DeCorte
47:22
I can hear him but cant see his screen
Alicia McCarthy
47:27
Yes, and we are recording it.
Katherine Mcnamara
47:43
Thank you!
Jim Keough
48:48
5 log reduction suggests a sanitizer can outperform a disinfectant.
Lynn Rose
50:59
NPIC says that disinfectants cannot make claims for residual effects. Jason says it leaves a film behind. I am not sure if he is inferring that it has residual effect.
Lynn Rose
53:24
NPIC - national pesticide information center - has great explanations of pesticide information as well as how to use the EPA N List.
Jamie San Andres
53:39
Thank you Lynn!
Pam Eliason
53:56
very!
Dorothy Wigmore
54:08
A baby got burns from sitting in a grocery cart in a grocery store in this province. Assuming it’s because they used bleach or something like that without dilution. What dilution do you recommend?
Jeremy Correia
54:48
What are your thoughts on bleach as a disinfectant?
Rob Jaruse
56:54
I'm wondering if we will address what we need to document. The opening guidelines specify that we must maintain records of cleaning, how detailed?
Alicia McCarthy
57:10
https://massclearinghouse.ehs.state.ma.us/PROG-ASTH/AS934kit.html
Alicia McCarthy
57:21
here is a really helpful infographic on safely using bleach
Pam Eliason
57:58
Rob, Alicia will be diving into your question
Julia Wolfe - Massachusetts
58:23
Here is link to EPA N List: https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-registration/list-n-disinfectants-use-against-sars-cov-2
Claire Barnett
58:25
CDC guidance on bleach is in error- several differ dilutions and dwell times by type of bleach
Rob Jaruse
58:36
Thank-you! The main issue with bleach is diluting it. Most people don't have the proper PPE while diluting. I'd stay away from it.
Pam Eliason
58:50
Good guidance Rob!
Claire Barnett
01:00:12
What about electrostatic water systems?
Pam Eliason
01:00:50
Great question Claire - Alicia will be addressing that
Alicia McCarthy
01:00:52
Agreed Rob
alexs
01:00:56
Can you discuss disinfectant foggers - especially as they are marketed a a silver bullet that is easier than deep cleaning. Are they effective at all?
Alicia McCarthy
01:01:21
I will not be addressing it electrostatic water systems, but we can definitely talk about it.
Dorothy Wigmore
01:01:25
The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control says 0.05% for most surfaces except toilets, etc., which is 0.1% for bleach dilution. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Environmental-persistence-of-SARS_CoV_2-virus-Options-for-cleaning2020-03-26_0.pdf
Dorothy Wigmore
01:02:05
Not that I recommend bleach!
Jim Keough
01:02:44
There are many safer alternatives to bleach
Alicia McCarthy
01:02:52
The foggers look like aerosols. We suggest staying away from aerosols.
Alicia McCarthy
01:03:14
We can look into the foggers in more detail though
Jim Keough
01:03:44
Not many disinfectants are approved for fogging since the dwell time is reduced.
Alicia McCarthy
01:04:00
Thank you Jim
Alicia McCarthy
01:04:12
Yes, there are! Jason is answering it now
alexs
01:05:17
I did the math - over 50% of options on List N are quat-based which is unfortunate
Alicia McCarthy
01:05:36
Hi Alexs, that is an important thing to bring up
wburke
01:05:42
Will theses sides be available to download
Alicia McCarthy
01:05:50
also, some of the safer ingredients may be mixed with quats
Alicia McCarthy
01:05:52
yes
Dorothy Wigmore
01:06:04
Saw peroxyacetic acid on the list. Wondering if it’s really a “safer” ingredient.
Alicia McCarthy
01:06:06
We are also recording
Pam Eliason
01:07:09
slides and recording will be posted on our website this week: www.turi.org
Jim Keough
01:08:40
Is hypochlorous acid on List N? List N is still a pass/fail test for many facilities.
Vic
01:09:13
Can you share the framework used to determine the agents to avoid vs to use? What are your concerns with quart amm compounds?
Jim Keough
01:09:32
Would you recommend Hypochlorous for use in hospitals, and long-term care?
Alicia McCarthy
01:09:32
Jim - Yes it is
Dorothy Wigmore
01:11:11
I don’t see the San Francisco 2014 study of disinfectants on your list of resources. RPN has updated “good” ones as of March. Can find the link
Liz
01:11:33
Dorothy, I believe peroxyacetic acid is an asthmagen on AOEC list, so good point to check hydrogen peroxide products for it.
Alicia McCarthy
01:11:35
Thank you Dorothy. Please feel free to share
Pam Eliason
01:11:42
Thanks Dorothy, please do share
Dorothy Wigmore
01:11:52
It’s linked in the U of Washington fact sheet at https://osha.washington.edu/sites/default/files/documents/FactSheet_Cleaning_Final_UWDEOHS_0.pdf
Jeffrey Davis
01:12:08
what about commercial availability and what CDC recommends?
Julia Wolfe - Massachusetts
01:12:23
The EPA N List does has products with Hypochlorus acid - if you use the app, put in the active ingredient and you can find a number of them: https://cfpub.epa.gov/giwiz/disinfectants/index.cfm
Rolly Rouse
01:13:06
What can we use to clean and disinfect leather furniture without damaging the leather?
Elise
01:13:09
When we think about the difference between 99.9% microbial reduction with cleaning, and 99.9 to 99.999% reduction with sanitizing, how do we justify using asthmagenic chemicals?
Dorothy Wigmore
01:13:38
Good question, Elise.
Frank Altieri
01:14:27
Shovel Town Brewery is on the line a Brewery/Restaurant
Julia Wolfe - Massachusetts
01:15:01
For more information on the Commonwealth's Operational Services Division statewide contract FAC85: Environmentally Preferable Cleaning Products, Programs Equipment and Supplies - available for public purchasers: https://www.mass.gov/doc/fac85/download.
Steven Bandarra
01:15:03
Don’t forget your daily injection of Lysol!
Alicia Culver
01:15:08
My primary concern with hypochlorous acid is that it offgasses chlorine gas, which is an asthmagen.
Jason Marshall
01:15:16
In my home i tend to use general purpose cleaners. Disinfection is something we only do once in a while. I use hypochlorous acid
Dorothy Wigmore
01:16:05
Why not use microfibre cloths/mops instead of cleaners? Gets rid of bacteria and some viruses too. Haven’t seen anything about how it works for this virus.
Liz
01:16:07
San Fransciso report: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjP1t_t4NbpAhXDVN8KHX2fDIcQFjAJegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsfenvironment.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Ffliers%2Ffiles%2Fsfe_th_safer_products_and_practices_for_disinfecting.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2yQpzSDOZf62wZboeHDXzD
Jason Marshall
01:16:38
Microfiber will remove the microorganisms, it does not kill them
Jason Marshall
01:17:08
It is a physical removal versus destruction
alexs
01:17:41
Poison Control centers are keeping the disinfectant and bleach call numbers updated here: https://aapcc.org/page-1075510. (Data through 5/24/20)
Rob Jaruse
01:17:43
Don't share phones.
Alicia Culver
01:17:56
Here is a link to the report RPN developed with the City of San Francisco: Safer Products and Practices for Disinfecting and Sanitizing Surfaces: http://www.responsiblepurchasing.org/purchasing_guides/cleaners/index.php
Pam Eliason
01:18:06
Thanks Alicia
John Raschko
01:18:11
Do you have any guidance on hiring a cleaning company to clean and disinfect?
Liz
01:18:15
Alicia Culver, good point - TURI did do lab testing with the NaDCC tablets that produce hypochlorous acid, compared with bleach. We will be publishing that shortly, but there was significantly less chlorine exposure than with bleach
Jason Marshall
01:18:55
For hiring a cleaning company, you can ask them some of the questions I suggested. What do they use, how do the clean and then disinfect.
Rob Jaruse
01:19:31
Left picture not good if you sneeze into your elbow. No data to prove it's effective
Claire Barnett
01:19:59
disinfect at school-- http://www.healthyschools.org/data/files/WorriedAboutVirus.pdf
Chris Tkach
01:20:04
are microban wraps useful for something like door handles/knobs/crash bars, etc.
Rob Jaruse
01:20:23
keep it simple.
Claire Barnett
01:21:07
NYS agency advis for schools:
Claire Barnett
01:21:16
http://www.nysed.gov/common/nysed/files/programs/coronavirus/nysed-covid-19-first-guidance-3-9-20.pdf#page=16
Rob Jaruse
01:24:32
Steam cleaners..great...make sure they reach the proper temperature... I believe 145 deg F?
Pam Eliason
01:25:41
The recording of this webinar and the slides, as well as many of the helpful links people are sharing in this chat, will be posted on TURI's website soon.
Elise
01:26:05
Why would you disinfect a floor?
Alicia Culver
01:26:33
Since steam cleaners are not approved against COVID, I don’t think you should recommend them as an alternative to disinfectants. Also, there are burn and mold risks with them.
Rob Jaruse
01:26:34
The virus hangs onto the shoes people bring it home on their shoes
Elise
01:27:09
The virus does remain infective that long.
Jim Keough
01:27:14
People set down a purse on a floor then put it on a bed in a nursing home
Elise
01:28:08
Viral infectivity is an issue here. I miswrote. Viral infectivity is limited in time and transferability
Rob Jaruse
01:29:00
We've put paper on top of our work stations. The paper is discarded each worker / shift change
Dorothy Wigmore
01:29:17
Good point, Elise. People are sometimes worrying too much about the virus’ presence, when it’s really unlikely or info says it’s not a worry.
Alicia Culver
01:30:32
People should review the EPA Approved Label on the PPLS as well as the SDS. The SDS is important to see if there are additional chemicals of concern such as squats as a surfactant.
Alicia Culver
01:30:52
Any suggestions for addressing supply chain problems with safer disinfectants?
Katherine Mcnamara
01:32:38
Has anyone seen guidance on re-opening performance venues? Cleaning between performances, restroom restrictions, food and beverage sales, etc? Thank you!
Alicia Culver
01:34:30
A mixture of peroxyacetic acid and hydrogen peroxide is an asthmagen (RS) according to the AOEC.
john shipps
01:34:33
Regardless of what method you employee for disinfection how do you verify efficacy?
Elise
01:35:47
How long does the virus remain infective on porous surfaces?
Liz
01:36:39
You are right, Alicia Culver - it's the peroxyacetic acid component that causes that, yes?
Rob Jaruse
01:37:08
For porous seating use covers and launder
john shipps
01:37:20
Are all discussed methods one-and-done or is there any residual disinfection?
Elise
01:37:51
It is the combination of hydrogen peroxide and peracetic acid. the method used by AOEC relies on peer-reviewed literature.
Hayley Byra
01:37:55
Katherine-The Event Safety Alliance has developed a Reopening Guide that may be helpful
Alicia McCarthy
01:38:47
Hayley - can you find the link to share?
Liz
01:39:05
John, as mentioned earlier by a chatter, most do not have residual effectiveness
Frank Altieri
01:40:40
I agree the messaging has been terrible on this point
Hayley Byra
01:40:57
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5aec979d3e2d09db8bcad475/t/5eb86f694a67d30048528163/1589145456606/2020-05-11+Event+Safety+Alliance+Reopening+Guide.pdf
Alicia Culver
01:41:19
AOEC says peroxyacetic acid alone is not an asthmagen, and hydrogen peroxide alone is not an asthma gen; but combined it is a respiratory sensitizer.
Liz
01:41:47
Thanks, Alicia, I was not aware of that!
Lynn Rose
01:41:59
As for residual effects, NPIC said there is some confusion related to mixed products. Claims can be made for residual effects for bacteria, but NOT for viruses.
Alex Scranton
01:42:06
I think we also need better data on how effective disinfecting is in actually reducing virus transmission between people. Hospitals are one thing but homes/offices/ schools are another. The data doesn’t tell us much.
Lynn Rose
01:43:04
we are creating checklists for touchpoints under a TURI grant for schools to be customized for each facility.
Rob Jaruse
01:43:24
I've had a covid-19 positive in my house and 2 positives in my workplace. Contact surfaces, anecdotal, just my opinion..not a big concern...again anecdotal....social distancing - masks are the key!
Alicia Culver
01:43:44
Silver disinfectants are the only ones I know of that have 24 hour residual efficacy. RPN generally does not recommend them except in an outbreak situation.
Pam Eliason
01:43:53
Agreed, Rob!
Rob Jaruse
01:44:39
Keep the workforce at a min. - everyone wears a mask - put barriers between people - concentrate on common areas
Alicia McCarthy
01:45:09
Agreed Rob
john shipps
01:45:37
Has anybody seen any data that support the notion that residual quaternium compounds when rewetted have any reactivated efficacy?
Lynn Rose
01:45:45
In discussions with Facility managers, the amount of touch point management that may be required is not feasible for most custodial work loads. They were looking for ways for students and staff to participate in a safe way (not suing disinfectants).
Katherine Mcnamara
01:45:55
Thank you everyone and Hayley for the event guide!
Anne Ford
01:46:00
Thanks so much, Pam and team. Much appreciated!
Elise
01:46:09
Thank you for organizing this forum for sharing issues re cleaning and disinfecting.
AK
01:46:16
thank you so much for sharing all the information
Julia Wolfe - Massachusetts
01:46:25
Thanks all - much needed forum!
Alicia McCarthy
01:46:27
If you have more questions or need products reviewed, feel free to reach out
Deana Becker
01:46:34
Thank you! This was great
Liz
01:46:37
Thanks alos to Elise, Alicia, Lynn and others !
Kathy.Flannery
01:46:38
Thank You
Alex Scranton
01:46:38
Thanks!
Adriana
01:46:41
Thakns